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  • TheAtomicLight
    TheAtomicLight closed this thread because:
    'Nuff said.
    10:42, November 26, 2019

    Have you watched Scooby-Doo! Return to Zombie Island?

    Share your thoughts below...

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    • Just Watched it and dont know if the writers of this and 13 ghosts movies have ever seem scooby doo movies before but the supernatural/mystery parts seem to be nearly dropped entirely. almost everything now has to be realistic and virtually no fantasy at all. also early established parts get forgotten about like to real cat person, which could have been a much better movie.

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    • I was upset when Velma was denying the supernatural again like in Curse Of The 13th Ghost. Those zombies were not swamp gas Fred pulled the head off one and he and Daphne sliced another one in half with a tree branch

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    • the atmosphere was corupted, the music sucked. the chages where lazy. this movie spit in the eye of the real zombie island. thank god it is only a quasi sequel. we will make like the veiewrs of the 2009 wolverine movie and pretend that this never happened!!!!!!

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    • I watched the movie with my brother, nitharson! I really laughed at Fred, still thinking about the mystery machine, Shaggy and Scooby happy about vacation, and the bloopers at the end.

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    • The blooper with shaggy's robe was kind of emberassing. They laughed at his privetes.

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    • Can someone clue me in to the scene with Wolf Shaggy on Velma's blog

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    • Honestly, I was kinda disappointed. I was hoping for some "back to the roots" footage cause Scooby Doo on Zombie Island was definitely one of my favorite SD movies. They could focus more on the "supernatural" part. That's what I liked about the original movie. The monsters were actually real. I thought they would expand that idea a little bit. Also, I'm so unsatisfied about the open end and the "mysterious" black cat person. They could have made the storyline so much better. 

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    • We waited 21 years for THIS????

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    • I have many, many problems with this film:

      1. From adults to teens?? Why??

      2. It didn't have the same atmosphere. Fake monsters everywhere, and no romance between anyone, which was just one of the many elements that made the original so great.

      3. The fake monsters at the beginning of the sequel make the rest of the movie redundant (I liked the references, though). The point of the fake monsters in the original was to contrast with the real monsters later on. With fake monsters in the entire movie, the montage is pointless.

      4. No references to the original soundtrack whatsoever. I would've at least liked to hear an instrumental of "It's Terror Time Again".

      5. Velma denying the supernatural makes literally zero sense, because she saw real zombies with her own eyes, and on top of that, she saw Simone and Lena transform into cat people right in front of them, and she saw Jacque as a cat person as well.

      As far as I'm concerned, this and "Curse of the 13th Ghost" take place in different time lines compared to their original source material.

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    • I totally agree. WB's are liars when it comes to continuity.

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    • I do like the movie, but the only part that I don't like is Velma denying the supernatural. I mean, why did she deny the supernatural when she saw it with her own two eyes in the first DTV film?

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    • Exactly. WB's cover it up with lies just to get people to watch.

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    • Well that sucks, to be truly honest

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    • Just watch as people forget this film even exists

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    • I hate that werecats were used again because the new generation hasn’t seen Zombie Island. I believe that the scientific term for werecats is “Homo Felintus” as they are a mutated version of mankind but aren’t considered Homo Superior because that would be copyrighted by Marvel.

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    • Think WB will do a sequel to Scooby-Doo and the Witch's Ghost?

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    • Even if they do, what difference would it be?

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    • What.. the illegitimate son of Ben the Warlock our for revenge against Mystery Inc for the disappearance of his deadbeat father. Gee... where have I seen that scenario before? Oh.. right! When Frank Grimes Jr tried to murder Homer Simpson.

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    • Even if they do a sequel to "Scooby-Doo and the Witch's Ghost", they'll probably just tone down all the supernatural stuff and making everything fake and people in masks, so we're better off not having one at all after what they did to "The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo" and "Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island".

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    • I'd recommend you make a different forum in the Fun and Games, if you'd want to discuss a sequel for the Witch's Ghost.

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    • I'll get on to that. But still, those zombies and cat creatures were real in their last visit to Moonscar Island.

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    • Gs22033 wrote: Even if they do a sequel to "Scooby-Doo and the Witch's Ghost", they'll probably just tone down all the supernatural stuff and making everything fake and people in masks, so we're better off not having one at all after what they did to "The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo" and "Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island".

      I agree... I bet that the sequel would be Ben Ravencroft Jr. putting on a zombie Merlin costume and try to break up the gang by telling them fake futures. Then eventually reveal himself as the son of the missing writer.
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    • LOL what a movie that would be

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    • Yeah and you think if they do a sequel to Witch's Ghost Velma will once again deny the supernatural?

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    • Sh e sorta might, but can we talk about that in this:

      https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:73570#4

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    • But one question thought, why didn't WB Have Beau Neville in that sequel?

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    • Maybe they thought he wasn't important. Like Scrappy wasn't important in Curse Of The 13th Ghost.

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    • ALS245 wrote:
      Maybe they thought he wasn't important. Like Scrappy wasn't important in Curse Of The 13th Ghost.

      "Wasn't important"?????? 😮😮😮😮😮😮

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    • Well that's what i think.

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    • No, I'm meant Beau.

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    • That's what i ment too. Beau Neville.

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    • How is he not important?

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    • It was only a thought.

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    • ALS245 wrote:
      It was only a thought.

      It's gotta be more than that.

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    • They might have forgot about Beau

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    • Sonic879 wrote:
      They might have forgot about Beau

      They shouldn't have.

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    • This may be the worst film in the series. Sam Register continues his major power trip, and doesn't care what the hell they shovel out, Jim Krieg is feeling pretty almighty in his recently gained producer role (replacing Alan Burnett), thinking he has unquestionable insight into what makes a good Scooby-Doo film, and Jeremy Adams continues his "I can't believe my luck" role thanks to his BFF Krieg.

      The film is supposed to be a love letter to the franchise in general, but it also chooses to try and kill two birds with one stone by making the film a sequel to Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island, but works to destroy that from beginning to end, because nobody who worked on the film understands or cares about the original, they just honestly think they're making a few fans happy. And this is all well and good, but this new film itself doesn't do itself any favours by putting in flashbacks that contradicts itself, because Zombie Island apparently wasn't that faithful. It retcons scenes in such a way, that it doesn't make sense. I repeat, they do not make sense, not just in comparison to the original, but within the film itself. It also adds clues based on what supposedly happened in the original, which just makes the film more of an awkward sequel then it needs to be.

      It's also bent on continuing a loose thread from Scooby-Doo! and the Curse of the 13th Ghost, where Fred had to sell the Mystery Machine, and the gang had to stop being mystery solvers. The latter is implied to be resolved and will be fixed once the movie ends, and the former will be resolved at the same time. But the Mystery Machine is still missing in Return to Zombie Island. So, it's this whole subplot of Sad Fred without his beloved van, (which is somewhat redundant after Frankencreepy), combined with another subplot of them still not being allowed to be mystery solvers because the jackass Sheriff from the The 13th Ghost is STILL trailing them. So, they're once again not only forced to not be mystery solvers because of the redundancy of the Sheriff forcing his law on them, but also have to pretend they're not mystery solvers to make Shaggy & Scooby happy. Oh, they're such good friends, but the whole thing is just utterly pointless and doesn't try and hide how pointless this is.

      It has barely any laughs, other than "Ha ha, I'm an idiot child who will just laugh at anything" jokes. There's nothing generally amusing about the film. There is a chase with a monster truck type Mystery Machine, but even that is pretty weak, like that's supposed to save the film, along with a boat explosion, which did provide some tension, but then it went back to being weakly played.

      Elvira has a weak cameo, because, hey, they'd need anything to pump up the movie.

      The animation is subpar (yeah, compared to the original, but even still it's pretty crappy).

      Velma is the worst part of the movie. Yes, Velma doesn't believe in real monsters, but in the original film she had to accept this as a reality, something that was shown to be real. Real. There was nothing left unresolved in that area. But here she is apparently being purposefully ignorant of that case, and is back to "old self" in which the mystery is unresolved and everything they saw wasn't real at all: It was down to SWAMP GAS. The result of being victims to the hallucinations of swamp gas for everything that happened and nobody can question that ever.

      They just make an ass out of Velma, and it isn't amusing, just because it doesn't fit into the view of what WBA see the franchise as. Fine, they want to see it as the view which was depicted in Where Are You. It should have just been an original movie, that wasn't a SEQUEL to another story which had real monsters.

      The first song is okay, and it fits within Fred's daydream. But the second song just doesn't fit the tone of the film. It feels forced and unnatural. It would fit natural in something was purely 100% styled after Where Are You!, but it's a WAY song trying to be played in another style's film that had alternative rock, that fit the film. That film didn't have bubble gum pop songs, because it wouldn't have fit.

      It's a very confused film, with somewhat confused goals in what it's trying to achieve, which makes The 13th Ghost and its problems look better in comparison.

      And on top of that, the movie is called Return to Zombie Island, yet the zombies only play a small part. Oh, yeah, because this is Scooby-Doo, there has to be an element of mystery, so even though the film works to undo all the real monsters being real, there's an unexplained possibly real werecat in the film. BECAUSE MYSTERY AND WONDERMENT OF THE UNKNOWN IS A MUST. Yep, who knows. Will it ever be explained? No.

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    • I also want to mention the supporting characters. In the original Zombie Island, they were colourful and had depth, which Return to Zombie Island is devoid of, except for Alan Smithee, who I find to be debatably interesting. I also didn't like how he got away with taking the treasure all for himself, without a word from the gang. Not even one single line from Shaggy that had him say something like "I could've done with some of that." I just find the whole scene utterly preposterous. And him wearing Simone's necklace like he found it in some breakfast cereal, isn't that appealing.

      There are some actor characters who are supposed to be shallow imitations of the original supporting cast (except for Beau Neville, for some reason, who's completely ignored in every possible way), which is fine, but their own personalities are devoid of life, except for the Jaqcues impersonator who is a middle-aged man flirting with Daphne. Because that's appropriate. Not.

      There's also the stunt double for Fred, who's not that interesting. There's also the question of why Fred only got a stunt double, which may be because he is the leader, and therefore the director naturally assumed that Fred would only be the one needing a stunt double. But seems they missed out an actual interesting exchange of differences between a stunt gang and the real gang. (Although two Mystery Inc.'s were already done in Cyber Chase, but this would've provided a different angle.)

      Another thing they missed out on was redirecting Velma's attitude. Her denial could've been because of PTSD of returning to the island, but that's too complex for a kid-family movie like Scooby-Doo, so loony, ignorant Velma it is. (A Scooby-Doo movie has never had much complexity, oh wait, they did it in the original Zombie Island.)

      I was warming up to Kate as Velma in the films, but Scooby-Doo! and the Curse of the 13th Ghost, and especially Return to Zombie Island, has put me off of her again. And this isn't really her fault, it's down to the way her lines are being written. They are being written for Velma's character, but they're not being written for Kate as Velma.

      In essence, all the film needed to be was the gang being brought to a random, remote island by a director trying to make money off the small fame Mystery Inc. have made for themselves, with some new monsters and some interesting supporting characters, and a stung gang for the real Mystery Inc., in a style appropriate to itself. It didn't need to be redone at Moonscar Island, with pointless continuity flaws in both comparison to the original and within itself, in a style that is a weird mix of both, that doesn't suit what this film needed.

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    • I liked the original Zombie Island better.

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    • ALS245 wrote:
      I liked the original Zombie Island better.

      Me too.

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    • I liked Witch's Ghost.

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    • So hypothetically, if Witch's Ghost got a quasi, do you think Velma would try to delude herself that what happened with Ben was just a dream?

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    • Probably. But this seems to keep on sliding into what else they'll do to the the following three, or the previous three. This isn't a Witch's Ghost or hypothetical sequel discussion.

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    • This was the worst scooby doo movie I have ever seen. It was dull, bland and didn't know what it was doing half the time. It literally retcons every other movie, INCLUDING, the previous DTV, in which Velma says something along the lines of "All our cases are closed", and then, we learn that at least 2 weren't. Overall, -10000000/10. I would rate it -10000001/10, but I liked the reluctant werewolf reference  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    • Janime15 wrote:
      Can someone clue me in to the scene with Wolf Shaggy on Velma's blog

      That was a reference to the movie Scooby-Doo and the Reluctant Werewolf, more info here,

      https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Scooby-Doo_and_the_Reluctant_Werewolf

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    • You mean the one with Googie?

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    • JustMeJordanW wrote: You mean the one with Googie?

      No, the one with Rachel.

      Yes, of course the one with Googie.

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    • Oh.

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    • I think that's enough with this discussion for now.

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    • Why, what's wrong?

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    • Maybe Seaver was playing Beau's part. Because he left with the police when they took the theives to jail.

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    • ALS245 wrote:
      Maybe Seaver was playing Beau's part. Because he left with the police when they took the theives to jail.

      He had a part?

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    • I mean what if the stuntman job was an undercover job? Like Beau's gardenig job was an undercover ob.

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    • No, I don't think so.

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    • Well i'm out of ideas why he left with the police.

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    • Yellowlightning1996
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      14:34, November 22, 2019
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    • Velma is the reason why Return To Zombie Island stinks to be honest.

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    • Sonic879 wrote:
      Velma is the reason why Return To Zombie Island stinks to be honest.

      Surely you don't mean that.

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