About the Fun Park comic pages. Do you think they should be considered the same? Because I do. No matter what differences there are, the comic is simply just a supplement/partial adaptation to the video game.
No problem. Considered the same in what sense? That the comic story shouldn't have a separate page or that the characters/location shouldn't have separate pages? Because I could see the argument for the characters/locations to be combined, since it is an adaptation of sorts, but they do have a different look to them stylistically at least that it would seem fitting to somehow include them both on their respective pages, as well as mentioning the slight variances between them - like how the last names are different and such. I'm not all that familiar with the game itself though to know how or if the comic ventures from the game's storyline. But since adaptations have their own pages separate from the originals, I would think the comic story should at least get its own page.
I meant the characters and locations. I think the game should take precedent over the comic, as the comic was made as tie-in to the game, not the other way around, any differences should just be noted in the Notes/Trivia section. Of course I'm completely fine with having pages for the two pages of the actual comic itself and the story inside.
Got it. You'll either have to walk me through deleting those pages then or take on that task, as I have yet to do that and I'm not sure how. If I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure I just made Mr. Gobs, Mrs. Gobs, Fun Park Phantom and Gobs 'o' Fun Park pages. I'll have to go through and add the trivial bits to the other pages sometime, unless you're able to get to those too. Just let me know. Oh! Also, did you give any thought to what I'd asked the other day about the Fancy Anvil Awards? I'd asked in the other messages but hadn't heard back yet. Thanks!
Tell me TheAtomicLight what he ment by it has a Teen Titans cover.
The Jumbo Action Pack comic (as you called it before), included varies Kids WB/CN shows at the time, like What's New, Scooby-Doo?, Teen Titans, and Xaolin Showdown, I think, and they're all on the cover.
Not sure I'll get a chance to climb around the attic this weekend, but don't worry, I've got the Jumbo Action comic, Hex Files, Gold Key #30 and Archie #21 all written down so I know what to grab once I'm up there.
Definitely! I was born in ‘91 and only ever asked for Scooby stuff as a kid, which was hard to come by pre-eBay... so my parents were super nice and would buy any Scooby thing that came out to give me for birthdays, Christmases, etc. And luckily I don’t get rid of anything, as much as my wife can’t stand it, so I’ve got quite a few bins and shelves full of stuff. I’ve also got tapes upon tapes of TNT/Cartoon Network recordings because my parents used to record Scooby for me, since it used to only air around like 3AM when I was really little. Then once I had my own computer in high school I started downloading any and all videos out there of Scooby and the gang in promos and commercials and stuff, so I’ve got hard drives full of stuff too. Basically, even though I’m not the record holder of Scooby-Doo memorabilia, I’m as close to a franchise archivist as I can imagine in terms of media and other content. I can’t guarantee I have everything, but I certainly have a lot.
Lucky! You got to come into the franchise when they were really making stuff again. I remember getting excited when I saw issue #1 of the first DC Comics series in the window at my mall's B. Dalton books... that seemed like some kind of miracle to me at the time. Then Zombie Island came out and I couldn't believe it, and then in one of my first experiences with the internet, I remember finding out a live-action movie was coming and feeling like 2002 was forever away. 1991 through 1997 was rough.
I'm not sure if I have that one. I know I have a bunch of those early reader type books, but off the top of my head right now, I can't recall precisely which. I have them all in one box though, I know that much.
The pop-up book that I created a page for yesterday? Yeah, I still have it out. I won’t be able to scan that one, but I can take pictures of the pages. It’s too large for my scanner, plus the pop-up elements make it pretty impossible to lay flat. You could probably tell from the couple images I put on the pages that they weren’t that great. The cover image was two scans I had to merge together, which I don’t really think turned out great, but I didn’t have any other way to get the whole image. But yeah, I can definitely take pictures of the pages if you’d like.
Thanks. And thanks for adding all those references. My only issue is that we don't really need to add the people that play those parts, unless they've actually acted in Scooby-Doo, like for example, Frank Welker, Rowan Atkinson, and Jaleel White.
RE: Your Scooby/Courage page edit - I’m still pretty new at this (hence why I’m responding here and not on your edit itself or wherever this should go) and am not quite sure how I would go about putting the videos on the actual page properly... it took me an hour or so just to figure out how to get the main/title images on that page right! Also, I was hesitant to reference ScoobySnax, but that appeared to me to be the closest to the origin of the rumor I could get, since the TCM page was down... otherwise it’s up without any reference at all.
Thanks for thinking about it. I'd like an official reference to go by, but if there isn't one, but the news is still known, I think it can survive without a fan source. Even tho the Scooby/Courage film is still pretty new.
Okay, sounds good. Any thoughts on whether "List of Cartoon Network bumpers", "Halifax" and/or "Burger King" pages would be suitable for Scoobypedia? The bumpers page (which could probably use a better name) would be broken down like the pop culture references page with all the Scooby-related bumpers listed with a brief synopsis. The Halifax page would be much like one of the State Farm ones, regarding the original material they did for their commercials in 2017. The Burger King page would be broken down - first by country (US, UK and Argentina) - then by the years/promotions. The US did toy giveaways 3 times (in 1996, for Alien Invaders and for Monsters Unleashed, I think), then the UK had an exclusive one, as did Argentina. And I know there's at least one commercial with original material of Shaggy and Scooby in it.
Okay. So, on a page like that, would the Cartoon Network bumpers be a category with several various synopses listed under it? Because I believe there's going to be a few... I've got a file full of CN promos/bumpers and Scooby commercials to sift through though to be sure. Would it be possible to separate the bumpers and the commercials into two separate pages? Also, is the content on Scoobypedia meant to be limited to film/tv/music/literature? As in, are things like the Burger King toys not meant to be listed, meaning a Burger King page wouldn't make sense? I'm sorry for all the questions, but being new to the site, I want to make sure I'm on the same page. I've also got a couple of the records & comics that seem to be missing content that I was intending to add to as well...
All right, I created the page Appearances in TV commercials and promos and put in information regarding all the commercials I'm aware of. I'm not sure how many videos should be on the page though, or where they should go. I haven't really started to tackle the Cartoon Network bumpers yet, but that's what I'm working on next.
Awesome! Thanks! The main commercials I'm thinking of that need voice actor information are the Halifax (Shaggy, Scooby & Velma), Kellogg's (Shaggy & Scooby), Burger King (Shaggy & Scooby) and Walmart (Scooby-Doo) ones...
I also did get the credit of the man who "spoke" to Shaggy in the Halifax commercial. Need to retrieve that info back up. I know the voices of that same commercial, and need to watch those other ones to make sure.
I imagine whoever were the voices at the time in the direct-to-videos. I think they may have been Ward and Bergman.
I really like the page you did for Funtastic Ride and keeping it with how the other pages are (nobody bothered to do that, and that's why they were deleted before), I'm just not sure about having the video for it, and I know it's the only way to see, it's just that I don't feel like it should be there on the principals of why any episode or film should be uploaded.
That definitely makes the most sense. I'll have to listen to it again.
And thanks! I'm pretty obsessive when it comes to making things uniform, so I'll definitely be doing my best to keep everything looking the same. I've loved Scooby a long time, so I want this site to be nothing but the best. It's also a fun way to spend my free time. If you don't think the video should be on there, definitely feel free to take it off. That's kind of why I included a screenshot of Shaggy & Scooby in the synopsis.
Oh, okay. Sorry about that. What's the preferred method of listing things like when a character is live-action versus animated in a project, and specifying the franchise/characters of specific comic book stories?
Not exactly. I was referring to The Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera (ride) where I'd used green brackets in the cast list to denote that William Hanna and Joseph Barbera appeared in it in live-action. It felt necessary to differentiate them, since all the other characters are animated.
I see, yes that sounds okay. Although I'm not sure if they need mentioning inside the story in regards to the Scooby and Shaggy stuff, as they just pop up as a cameo, unless you think it needs all of it for better context. Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure a page is even really necessary because it's a cameo. They slip in and out. For those same reasons, I don't think we would even require pages on the 50th Hanna-Barbera special.
For similar reasons, we cut out episode and comic pages on Laff-a-Lympics, just because of how little Scooby, Shaggy, and Dum are featured. It's really more of a Yogi show and comic than it is a Scooby show or comic.
That's a fair point, but it brings up the question of how long of an appearance qualifies inclusion on the site? That could potentially bring into question appearances on other television programs/commercials/comics/promos/etc. And how would that criteria effect things like Townsville (which has redlinks on a few pages) as it does have some reason for being given a "Location" page because of its appearance in a crossover comic and commercial bumpers, despite not really being a major Scooby-related location.
I had thought that any appearance by a member of the Scooby-Doo franchise in any piece of media qualified it for inclusion on this site, with the bigger question being how much of a none-Scooby centric piece do you discuss. That's where I ran into some issues with The Funtastic World of Hanna-Barbera (ride) because there was a lot of additional information I felt could be left out, since it didn't pertain to Scooby as much. Like, where the ride film was able to be seen seemed relevant, because those were opportunities to see Scooby, the synopsis of the entire ride is relevant because it puts the Scooby scene in context - which therefore makes the voice cast relevant, since the characters are being mentioned - and so forth. But then things like the Flintstones or Jetsons activities after the ride seemed irrelevant to Scooby, so I left them out and only mentioned the Scooby meet & greet, and the whole story of production behind the scenes or that it was coordinated with the release of The Jetsons Movie also didn't seem relevant for a site dedicated to Scooby. That being said, I probably could have left out the mention of the director & producer cameos too, but I thought that was a fun piece of trivia.
Anyway, that's how I was looking at it. It also seems, to me at least, nice to have any and all things even remotely Scooby in this one place. Please let me know though, so I can be sure to keep things in line with the site, I'd hate to be making pages that end up deleted or something. Thanks!
Sorry, I totally forgot to put this in the above message, but I’m also not sure I completely follow why you made the change in Puppy Power! and was hoping you could clarify. You mentioned the Goober & the Ghost Chasers story falling into the same category as the Secret Squirrel stories in Scooby Apocalypse, but the Goober story in Cartoon Network Presents #24 is only 2 pages shorter than the Scrappy story and it’s in a non-Scooby specific comic series, unlike the Secret Squirrel stories which are pretty short in comparison to the Scooby Apocalypse ones and are in a Scooby specific comic series. That’s why it got me a little confused. Calling it the “single” story seemed false, since the Scrappy story is just the cover story of and appears first in that particular issue, with almost half the issue dedicated to that second story.
I don't want to give out false info, but I also want to make it neater looking by just keeping to the Scooby details. Instead of making it look like a note of it including another story that hasn't even got anything to do with Scooby. It's the same as Gold Key or Archie containing stories that have nothing to do with Scooby. I mean, if people look onto those specific issues, they'll see the additional stories, which we at least mention there.
Thanks for the image for Steve Clemmons. I hate to nitpick, but it didn't need the end bit of "Writer", unless there was another Steve Clemmons. Also, if it isn't terrible inconvenient, I would appreciate a source for when uploading images of people, and that the fairuse tag isn't required anymore, because 1. All images are included in Wikia's overall fairuse license, and the fairuse tag, and 2. If someone has a problem with the image, they'll only ask us or Wikia to take it down, regardless of whether we use a fairuse tag or not. So it seems redundant to even bother using it.
Thanks for the clarification on the comics issue!
As for Steve Clemmons, that wasn’t me. Somebody else created that page and uploaded the photo. I wasn’t even aware who he was until I saw your message lol But it was still useful to know in case that’s ever something I come across!
Haha, yeah, I can imagine I've been a bit of a headache lately, and I apologize... I swear I'll get better at this though, just might take some time. My latest question is whether or not the 3 other non-Scooby comics should be listed on the Cartoon Network Magazine page, like other comics are listed for the other Cartoon Network comics? Also, I wasn't sure if I needed to put more than "Spanish version" under the photo I added to the page... I chose that one because it mentions a Scooby-Doo comic on the cover.
As for the "Spanish Version", it's not a variant of that particular issue, it's an entirely different issue meant to show other editions of that magazine/comic exist. I believe the American edition only had one issue, but the international versions produced several before ending their run. But they're all "Cartoon Network Magazine", so since it seems unecessary to have separate pages for any of the separate editions - especially since I'm not sure many users will have much information to contribute to them - I figured it could just be mentioned on the page of the American edition that those exist under the same title. If that makes sense.
Do you think there's any need for the Appearances in TV commercials and promos page to have a Notes/trivia section? Or are we just assuming any and all things in those are non-canon and not super relevant? Because there's definitely some interesting pieces of trivia regarding Mystery Inc. if any of it's canon, as well as some inconsistencies/oddities...
I wouldn't really consider any of those canon, although the Moltar and Fred in a marathon (I can't remember the name of), does mention the outcome of The Scooby-Doo Project. Depends on what they are, if the pieces of trivia can just fit into their respective sections.
I just deleted the Courage page, and I know you don't want to spend time making pages that will just be deleted, but I don't think pages based on promos need to be made, because they're not really real. At least with the State Farm adverts that were a little bit longer and had some context to them. Although, I think my main issue is it not being written in-universe. Courage is just a dog that meet in the middle of nowhere, whether or not he's the star of a cartoon, is neither here or there.
Thanks for the History section note, I feel like I probably haven't been very consistent... I did finally realize there's a Manual of Style page though! So hopefully that'll help with future work. It does seem like some of the categories are missing from some of them though... so I'm not sure where something like "Miscellanious" goes for order wise. Like, I know it's under "Notes/trivia" but is it before/after something like "Animation mistakes"... I know it's not a huge deal, but I think there's been a couple times where I just made my best guess because something wasn't on one of those...
RE: Courage - I'm really glad you ended up restoring it. I definitely understand why the changes you made to it were made though. Based on your initial concern though, does this mean that the Wolfman (Cartoon Network bumper) page shouldn't exist then? I had thought that there were a few, though not many, pages related to commercials/promos that would be good additions, based on the amount of information available... primarily monsters who are unmasked. That felt like it would be on par with Creeper (State Farm)... the only other one I was planning at the moment was going to be Mummy (Halifax), as I hadn't looked back to see if there were any others. I did think a Post Cereals monsters page could be kinda fun, with the 3 monsters in that ad lumped onto one page, although none of them are unmasked. Besides monsters, I had thought about adding Pharoah's Pizza, also from the Halifax ad, because there seemed to be enough information there to have a proper page on it. Anyway, I'll hold off adding any of those until I get your response.
Concern #3 - I just realized this also sort of relates to another addition I was thinking, which was to add commercials/promos to some of the characters' "Appearances" section... the Powerpuff Girls, Professor Utonium, the Creeper and a few other monsters, Scrappy-Doo... I think that might be it. Not for any of the Mystery Inc. gang, since they're in most/all of them, but for the others who haven't made many appearances across the franchise.
Anyway, sorry for constantly having so many questions/concerns.
Since the Wolfman article was well presented, it can stay, and it will be interesting to see these other pages done, that I really didn't think needed doing, so it's really just taking a different view.
It's difficult to tell what commercials and bumpers could be considered canon. Like the promos of The Scooby-Doo Project make fun of it, although The Scooby-Doo Project was a parody itself. But then there's bumpers where Velma and Morocco Mole fall in love, Scrappy yells at the Cartoon Cartoon stars, and Velma makes a speech in the cafeteria. I don't think any of those things actually happened, and would put that under an Apocryphal section which would go right underneath the Appearances section, which list more canonical appearances. So, at the moment the Courage page can be devoted to commercials and bumpers, but when the movie happens, I think it would make all commercials and bumpers obsolete and therefore go into an Apocryphal section.
Okay, cool, I'm going to go ahead and put those together.
An "Apocryphal appearances" section certainly makes sense. I'll do that with the few for which it makes the most sense. I'm not sure this is anything that means anything in terms of this site, but the more I've been rewatching a lot of this promo/commercial stuff, it feels like there's an entire "Hollywood continuity", where the canon series are all productions, with the gang merely working as actors/actresses. It would explain the backstory in... I think Scooby Goes Hollywood where the gang is shown getting Scooby from a pet shop as a puppy, as that would be the "real world" backstory, since that entire film's about how they're actors/actresses. It would make pretty much every Cartoon Network promo make sense. It might also even explain why Frank Welker's not the voice of Fred in A Pup Named Scooby-Doo - because Fred's obviously not a child - so those were all recasted children. It sort of made sense, in my head at least, but it's primarily just a fun theory. Would be an interesting way to make all of the Scooby material fit into a singular sort of canon though. Anyway, sorry that got off topic. Just wanted to share.
Oh! And one more thing... I was looking at pages like Scott Innes and was curious if there might be a better way to organize it so it's not a whole bunch of titles, followed by "main article", followed by such small tables of roles. Like, could it be possible to have - under Voice Roles - subsections with the character names - so Shaggy, Scooby, Scrappy, Monster(s) & Misc. - then either do another set of subsections under that that're like Direct to Video Films, Video Games, Etc., or just do a table that lists all the projects in chronological order in which an actor appears as the character that section is about and for "Monsters" and "Misc." a 2 columb table with the projects in chronological order and the characters' names to the right of that. I hope that makes sense. I feel like writing it out makes it sound a lot more complex than it is.
I can understand doing it for Shaggy, Scooby, and Scrappy, but not necessarily for the monsters, and other characters. I felt the way it's laid out now, was the best way to show it by order of the medium, so Innes did the direct-to-video films, so that came first, and then whatever came after that. I guess it's repetitive for Innes's page, but I think it helps when Innes plays different versions of the likes of Scrappy, and Welker different Scoobys, and comes in handy with the other actors who play all different kinds of roles, such as Welker himself.
Sorry I didn't put any categories on my new pages. If you're not already fixing them all, I can go back and add some. I've been trying to copy/paste all the format stuff from pages similar to whatever I'm making a page of so that it matches... So I don't know how I missed those. I didn't even realize they're down there until I saw your edit. Sorry about that.
So it took me a little while, but I put together a page for Scooby-Doo: Behind the Scenes - it had been bothering me that it was listed on the Scooby Project page with a red link... Anyway, when I started it had said you took the previous incarnation of the page down, but it seemed like that may have been because of what little information the page had had on it... Hopefully what I put together does a much better job than the previous page had. And I made sure to put a category on it! Hopefully I didn't miss anything else...
Sorry, quick question. Why did you remove Barty Blake from the other names listed for Daphne's father on the Behind the Scenes page? And should I change the number from four to three in that preceding statement then?
Sorry, quick question. Why did you remove Barty Blake from the other names listed for Daphne's father on the Behind the Scenes page? And should I change the number from four to three in that preceding statement then?
You were counting it as an inconsistency, but it isn't really because SDMI came after, so it doesn't really count, and on top of the fact SDMI is in its own continuity.
Oh, okay. That totally makes sense. I completely overlooked the fact it was pre-SDMI. I didn't know the whole separate continuity thing though, so that's good to know. I saw you already fixed it, but I'm not sure if you meant for the last portion to be all italicized, so I changed it.
I promise this is the last thing today... but do you think there's a place for The 1st 13th Annual Fancy Anvil Awards Show Program Special: Live in Stereo on this site? Obviously the whole thing isn't Scooby-centric, but Daphne does present an award and Scooby-Doo receives the Lifetime Achievement Award - which is presented by Sandy Duncan and includes a short video containing interviews with Don Knotts, Jonathan Winters, Davy Jones, Phyllis Diller and Tim Conway talking about what it was like to "work with Scooby".
And a quick follow-up to new categories. Would it be possible to have a "Apocryphal" category? Or something along those lines. For the few commercials/promos and their related content to be categorized under.
Oh, okay. Must’ve missed that somehow. Thanks! And sorry for giving you so much extra work, I didn’t realize I’d screwed up so bad until I saw all the edit notifications. If there’s anything left to fix, just let me know and I can do it so you don’t have to.
Could you please tell me how to go about adding videos to the gallery on the Appearances in TV commercials and promos page? I thought it probably needed a promo or two (if you've got any suggestions on which, please let me know), since it's currently all commercials, but I can't seem to figure it out. Trying to modify the gallery seems to give me only adding photos as an option. Thanks!
I added one video (the Velma/Dexter one, voiced by B.J. Ward and Candi Milo, with Jeff Bennett as Johnny Bravo), by selecting the last "image-vetbutton" icon at the end of the row, and put in the link, while I had put the cursor where I wanted the file to go (I then had to remove some of the link brackets and "[[File:" part because it wasn't needed in the gallery).
Did you mean that Night of the Living Doo and The Scooby-Doo Project are actually canon or just should be treated as more real than other projects? I only ask because The Scooby-Doo Project ends with Mystery Inc. being declared missing and is quite a bit of a departure from the rest of the franchise's canon.
So, even though The Scooby-Doo Project is somewhat of a weird parody, and they are left missing, I'd still count it as canon. Some of the bumpers do attempt to legitimise it, with the police looking into it, although this seems more like advertisement...
I noticed that there's a Holiday Specials category, but do you think it would be possible to make Halloween and Christmas categories that could hold not only the episodes/specials, but also any comic stories or books? Seems like it might be nice to have all those together. And I can definitely handle categorizing them all, if you're okay with it, so you don't need to focus any of your time on it.
The holiday specials category seems to only cover tv episodes or movies, which makes sense, so my thought was that separate categories for Halloween and Christmas could cover all the content set on each of those holidays. So the Halloween category would include: Halloween - BCSD
Halloween - Google Doodle
A Halloween Hassle at Dracula’s Castle - TNSDMysteries
The Haunted Halloween - You Play Too Book
A Scooby-Doo Halloween - WNSD
Scooby-Doo! Haunted Halloween Mask - Scholastic book
The Headless Horseman of Halloween - TSD/DMH
Scooby-Doo! A Haunted Halloween - comic
Scooby-Doo and the Halloween Hotel Haunt - book
Scooby-Doo! The Haunted Halloween Party - book
Scooby-Doo and the Goblin King
Scooby-Doo and KISS: Rock and Roll Mystery
To Switch a Witch - SDWAY
Ghost Who’s Coming to Dinner - APNSD
Scooby-Doo and the Spooky Scarecrow
Don’t Be a Stranger - Scooby-Doo Team-Up comic
Scooby-Doo and the Vampire’s Revenge - Scholastic book
Scooby-Doo and the Cupcake Caper - Scholastic book
The Gypsy’s Curse - comic
Scooby-Doo and the Shadow Goblin - comic
Lego Scooby-Doo in Trick and Treat
Scooby-Doo and the Witching Hour - Scholastic book
Scooby-Doo and the Eerie Ice Monster - Scholastic book
Scooby-Doo and the Trick-or-Treat thief - Scholastic book
And then maybe El Bandito - BCSD because it’s Day of the Dead?
Then the Christmas category would have: Christmas with the Monsters - music video
Happy Harley-daze - Scooby-Doo Team-Up
Scary Christmas - BCSD
The Nutcracker Scoob - TNSDMysteries
Too Much Christmas Spirit - comic
The Fright Before Christmas - comic
A Scooby-Doo Christmas - WNSD
A Scooby-Doo Christmas - Scooby Apocalypse
The Ghost of Christmas Present - comic
The Ghost of Christmas Presents - comic
Scooby-Doo The Christmas Cookie Case - Scholastic book
Scooby-Doo Haunted Holidays
Nutcracker Not So Sweet - comic
Exciting Christmas Stories with Scooby-Doo and Friends - record (which I plan to make the page for soon, I’ve just got to sit down and listen to those records first)
Scooby-Doo The Secret Santa Mystery - Scholastic book
Scroogey Doo - BCSD
And then I can’t remember if Wrath of Krampus - SDMI is on Christmas or not...
Wrath of Krampus isn't really a Christmas special. I would be open to adding any of the forms of media to the holiday specials, but I guess. I'd agree to "Christmas specials", "Halloween specials", etc. Just add those categories to "Holiday specials".